Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most
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| ISBN-13: | 9780143118442 |
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| Publisher: | Penguin Publishing Group |
| Publication date: | 11/02/2010 |
| Edition description: | Revised |
| Pages: | 352 |
| Sales rank: | 23,417 |
| Product dimensions: | 5.00(w) x 7.70(h) x 0.70(d) |
| Age Range: | 18 Years |
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Chapter One
Sort Out the Three Conversations
Jack is about to have a difficult conversation.
He explains: "Late one afternoon I got a call from Michael, a good friend and occasional client. 'I'm in a tight spot,' he told me. 'I need a financial brochure laid out and printed by tomorrow afternoon.' He said his regular designer was out and that he was under a lot of pressure.
"I was in the middle of another project, but Michael was a friend, so I dropped everything and worked late into the night on his brochure.
"Early the next morning Michael reviewed the mock-up and gave the go-ahead to have it printed. I had the copies on his desk by noon. I was exhausted, but I was glad I'd been able to help him out.
"Then I got back to my office and discovered this voice-mail message from Michael:
Well, you really screwed this one up! Look, Jack, I know you were under time pressure on this, but.... [sigh]. The earnings chart isn't presented clearly enough, and it's slightly off. It's just a disaster. This is an important client. I assume you'll fix it right away. Give me a call as soon as you get in.
"Well, you can imagine how I felt about that message. The chart was off, but microscopically. I called Michael right away."
Their conversation went like this:
Jack: Hi, Michael, I got your message —
Michael: Yeah, look Jack, this thing hasto be done over.
Jack: Well, wait a second. I agree it's not perfect, but the chart is clearly labeled. Nobody's going to misunderstand —
Michael: C'mon, Jack. You know as well as I do that we can't send this thing out like this.
Jack: Well, I think that —
Michael: There's really nothing to argue about here. Look, we all screw up. Just fix it and let's move on.
Jack: Why didn't you say something about this when you looked at it this morning?
Michael: I'm not the one who's supposed to be proofreading. Jack, I'm under tremendous pressure to get this done and to get it done right. Either you're on the team or you're not. I need a yes or a no. Are you going to redo it?
Jack: [pause] Alright, alright. I'll do it.
This exchange has all the hallmarks of a difficult conversation going off the rails. Months later, Jack still feels lousy about this conversation and his relationship with Michael remains strained. He wonders what he could have done differently, and what he should do about it now.
But before we get to that, let's look at what Jack and Michael's conversation can teach us about how difficult conversations work.
Decoding the Structure of Difficult Conversations
Surprisingly, despite what appear to be infinite variations, all difficult conversations share a common structure. When you're caught up in the details and anxiety of a particular difficult conversation, this structure is hard to see. But understanding that structure is essential to improving how you handle your most challenging conversations.
There's More Here Than Meets the Ear
In the conversation between Jack and Michael recounted above, the words reveal only the surface of what is really going on. To make the structure of a difficult conversation visible, we need to understand not only what is said, but also what is not said. We need to understand what the people involved are thinking and feeling but not saying to each other. In a difficult conversation, this is usually where the real action is.
Look at what Jack is thinking and feeling, but not saying, as this conversation proceeds:
What Jack Thought and Felt But Didn't Say
How could he leave a message like that?! After I drop everything, break a dinner date with my wife, and stay up all night, that's the thanks I get?!
A total overreaction. Not even a CPA would be able to tell that the graph is off. At the same time, I'm angry with myself for making such a stupid mistake.
Michael tries to intimidate colleagues into getting his way. But he shouldn't treat me that way. I'm a friend! I want to stand up for myself, but I don't want to get into a big fight about this. I can't afford to lose Michael as a client or as a friend. I feel stuck.
Screw up!? This isn't my fault. You approved it, remember?
Is that how you see me? As a proofreader?
I'm sick of this whole thing. I'm going to be bigger than whatever pettiness is driving him. The best way out is for me just to be generous and redo it.
What Jack and Michael Actually Said
Jack: Hi, Michael, I got your message —
Michael: Yeah, look Jack, this
thing has to be done over.
Jack: Well, wait a second. I agree it's not perfect, but the chart is clearly labeled. Nobody's going to misunderstand —
Michael: C'mon, Jack, you know as well as I do that we can't send this thing out like this.
Jack: Well, I think that —
Michael: There's really nothing to argue about here. Look, we all screw up. Just fix it and let's move on.
Jack: Why didn't you say something about this when you looked at it this morning?
Michael: I'm not the one who's supposed to be proofreading. I'm under tremendous pressure to get this done and to get it done right. Either you're on the team or you're not. I need a yes or a no. Are you going to redo it?
Jack: [pause] Alright, alright. I'll do it.
Meanwhile, there's plenty that Michael is thinking and feeling but not saying. Michael is wondering whether he should have hired Jack in the first place. He hasn't been all that happy with Jack's work in the past, but he decided to go out on a limb with his partners to give his friend another chance. Michael is now frustrated with Jack and confused about whether hiring Jack was a good decision — personally or professionally.
The first insight, then, is a simple one: there's an awful lot going on between Jack and Michael that is not being spoken.
That's typical. In fact, the gap between what you're really thinking and what you're saying is part of what makes a conversation difficult. You're distracted by all that's going on inside. You're uncertain about what's okay to share, and what's better left unsaid. And you know that just saying what you're thinking would probably not make the conversation any easier.
Each Difficult Conversation Is Really Three Conversations
In studying hundreds of conversations of every kind we have discovered that there is an underlying structure to what's going on, and understanding this structure, in itself, is a powerful first step in improving how we deal with these conversations. It turns out that no matter what the subject, our thoughts and feelings fall into the same three categories, or "conversations." And in each of these conversations we make predictable errors that distort our thoughts and feelings, and get us into trouble.
Everything problematic that Michael and Jack say, think, and feel falls into one of these three "conversations." And everything in your difficult conversations does too.
1. The "What Happened?" Conversation. Most difficult conversations involve disagreement about what has happened or what should happen. Who said what and who did what? Who's right, who meant what, and who's to blame? Jack and Michael tussle over these issues, both out loud and internally. Does the chart need to be redone? Is Michael trying to intimidate Jack? Who should have caught the error?
2. The Feelings Conversation. Every difficult conversation also asks and answers questions about feelings. Are my feelings valid? Appropriate? Should I acknowledge or deny them, put them on the table or check them at the door? What do I do about the other person's feelings? What if they are angry or hurt? Jack's and Michael's thoughts are littered with feelings. For example, "This is the thanks I get?!" signals hurt and anger, and "I'm under tremendous pressure" reveals anxiety. These feelings are not addressed directly in the conversation, but they leak in anyway.
3. The Identity Conversation This is the conversation we each have with ourselves about what this situation means to us. We conduct an internal debate over whether this means we are competent or incompetent, a good person or bad, worthy of love or unlovable. What impact might it have on our self-image and self-esteem, our future and our well-being? Our answers to these questions determine in large part whether we feel "balanced" during the conversation, or whether we feel off-center and anxious. In the conversation between Jack and Michael, Jack is struggling with the sense that he has been incompetent, which makes him feel less balanced. And Michael is wondering whether he acted foolishly in hiring Jack.
Every difficult conversation involves grappling with these Three Conversations, so engaging successfully requires learning to operate effectively in each of the three realms. Managing all three simultaneously may seem hard, but it's easier than facing the consequences of engaging in difficult conversations blindly.
What We Can't Change, and What We Can
No matter how skilled we become, there are certain challenges in each of the Three Conversations that we can't change. We will still run into situations where untangling "what happened" is more complicated than we initially suspect. We will each have information the other person is unaware of, and raising each other's awareness is not easy. And we will still face emotionally charged situations that feel threatening because they put important aspects of our identity at risk.
What we can change is the way we respond to each of these challenges. Typically, instead of exploring what information the other person might have that we don't, we assume we know all we need to know to understand and explain things. Instead of working to manage our feelings constructively, we either try to hide them or let loose in ways that we later regret. Instead of exploring the identity issues that may be deeply at stake for us (or them), we proceed with the conversation as if it says nothing about us — and never come to grips with what is at the heart of our anxiety.
By understanding these errors and the havoc they wreak, we can begin to craft better approaches. Let's explore each conversation in more depth.
The "What Happened?" Conversation: What's the Story Here?
The "What Happened?" Conversation is where we spend much of our time in difficult conversations as we struggle with our different stories about who's right, who meant what, and who's to blame. On each of these three fronts — truth, intentions, and blame — we make a common but crippling assumption. Straightening out each of these assumptions is essential to improving our ability to handle difficult conversations well.
The Truth Assumption
As we argue vociferously for our view, we often fail to question one crucial assumption upon which our whole stance in the conversation is built: I am right, you are wrong. This simple assumption causes endless grief.
What am I right about? I am right that you drive too fast. I am right that you are unable to mentor younger colleagues. I am right that your comments at Thanksgiving were inappropriate. I am right that the patient should have received more medication after such a painful operation. I am right that the contractor overcharged me. I am right that I deserve a raise. I am right that the brochure is fine as it is. The number of things I am right about would fill a book.
There's only one hitch: I am not right.
How could this be so? It seems impossible. Surely I must be right sometimes!
Well, no. The point is this: difficult conversations are almost never about getting the facts right. They are about conflicting perceptions, interpretations, and values. They are not about what a contract states, they are about what a contract means. They are not about which child-rearing book is most popular, they are about which child-rearing book we should follow.
They are not about what is true, they are about what is important.
Let's come back to Jack and Michael. There is no dispute about whether the graph is accurate or not. They both agree it is not. The dispute is over whether the error is worth worrying about and, if so, how to handle it. These are not questions of right and wrong, but questions of interpretation and judgment. Interpretations and judgments are important to explore. In contrast, the quest to determine who is right and who is wrong is a dead end.
In the "What Happened?" Conversation, moving away from the truth assumption frees us to shift our purpose from proving we are right to understanding the perceptions, interpretations, and values of both sides. It allows us to move away from delivering messages and toward asking questions, exploring how each person is making sense. of the world. And to offer our views as perceptions, interpretations, and values — not as "the truth."
The Intention Invention
The second argument in the "What Happened?" Conversation is over intentions — yours and mine. Did you yell at me to hurt my feelings or merely to emphasize your point? Did you throw my cigarettes out because you're trying to control my behavior or because you want to help me live up to my commitment to quit? What I think about your intentions will affect how I think about you and, ultimately, how our conversation goes.
The error we make in the realm of intentions is simple but profound: we assume we know the intentions of others when we don't. Worse still, when we are unsure about someone's intentions, we too often decide they are bad.
The truth is, intentions are invisible. We assume them from other people's behavior. In other words, we make them up, we invent them. But our invented stories about other people's intentions are accurate much less often than we think. Why? Because people's intentions, like so much else in difficult conversations, are complex. Sometimes people act with mixed intentions. Sometimes they act with no intention, or at least none related to us. And sometimes they act on good intentions that nonetheless hurt us.
Because our view of others' intentions (and their views of ours) are so important in difficult conversations, leaping to unfounded assumptions can be a disaster.
The Blame Frame
The third error we make in the "What Happened?" Conversation has to do with blame. Most difficult conversations focus significant attention on who's to blame for the mess we're in. When the company loses its biggest client, for example, we know that there will shortly ensue a ruthless game of blame roulette. We don't care where the ball lands, as long as it doesn't land on us. Personal relationships are no different. Your relationship with your stepmother is strained? She's to blame. She should stop bugging you about your messy room and the kids you hang out with.
In the conflict between Jack and Michael, Jack believes the problem is Michael's fault: the time to declare your hypersensitivity to formatting is before the brochure goes to print, not after. And, of course, Michael believes the problem is Jack's fault: Jack did the layout, mistakes are his responsibility.
But talking about fault is similar to talking about truth — it produces disagreement, denial, and little learning. It evokes fears of punishment and insists on an either/or answer. Nobody wants to be blamed, especially unfairly, so our energy goes into defending ourselves.
Parents of small children know this well. When the twins act up in the back seat of the car, we know that trying to affix blame will always yield an outcry: "But she hit me first!" or "I hit her because she called me a baby." Each child denies blame not just to avoid losing her dessert, but also from a sense of justice. Neither feels like the problem is solely her fault, because it isn't.
From the front seat looking back, it is easy to see how each child has contributed to the fight. It's much more difficult to see how we've contributed to the problems in which we ourselves are involved. But in situations that give rise to difficult conversations, it is almost always true that what happened is the result of things both people did — or failed to do. And punishment is rarely relevant or appropriate. When competent, sensible people do something stupid, the smartest move is to try to figure out, first, what kept them from seeing it coming and, second, how to prevent the problem from happening again.
Talking about blame distracts us from exploring why things went wrong and how we might correct them going forward. Focusing instead on understanding the contribution system allows us to learn about the real causes of the problem, and to work on correcting them. The distinction between blame and contribution may seem subtle. But it is a distinction worth working to understand, because it will make a significant difference in your ability to handle difficult conversations.
The Feelings Conversation: What Should We Do with Our Emotions?
Difficult conversations are not just about what happened; they also involve emotion. The question is not whether strong feelings will arise, but how to handle them when they do. Should you tell your boss how you really feel about his management style, or about the colleague who stole your idea? Should you share with your sister how hurt you feel that she stayed friends with your ex? And what should you do with the anger you are likely to experience if you decide to talk with that vendor about his sexist remarks?
In the presence of strong feelings, many of us work hard to stay rational. Getting too deep into feelings is messy, clouds good judgment, and in some contexts — for example, at work — can seem just plain inappropriate. Bringing up feelings can also be scary or uncomfortable, and can make us feel vulnerable. After all, what if the other person dismisses our feelings or responds without real understanding? Or takes our feelings to heart in a way that wounds them or irrevocably damages the relationship? And once we've gotten our feelings off our chest, it's their turn. Are we up to hearing all about their anger and pain?
This line of reasoning suggests that we stay out of the Feelings Conversation altogether — that Jack is better off not sharing his feelings of anger and hurt, or Michael his sense of disappointment. Better to stick to questions about the brochure. Better to stick to "business."
Or is it?
An Opera Without Music
The problem with this reasoning is that it fails to take account of one simple fact: difficult conversations do not just involve feelings, they are at their very core about feelings. Feelings are not some noisy byproduct of engaging in difficult talk, they are an integral part of the conflict. Engaging in a difficult conversation without talking about feelings is like staging an opera without the music. You'll get the plot but miss the point. In the conversation between Jack and Michael, for example, Jack never explicitly says that he feels mistreated or underappreciated, yet months later Jack can still summon his anger and resentment toward Michael.
Consider some of your own difficult conversations. What feelings are involved? Hurt or anger? Disappointment, shame, confusion? Do you feel treated unfairly or without respect? For some of us, even saying "I love you" or "I'm proud of you" can feel risky.
In the short term, engaging in a difficult conversation without talking about feelings may save you time and reduce your anxiety. It may also seem like a way to avoid certain serious risks — to you, to others, and to the relationship. But the question remains: if feelings are the issue, what have you accomplished if you don't address them?
Understanding feelings, talking about feelings, managing feelings — these are among the greatest challenges of being human. There is nothing that will make dealing with feelings easy and risk-free. Most of us, however, can do a better job in the Feelings Conversation than we are now. It may not seem like it, but talking about feelings is a skill that can be learned.
Of course, it doesn't always make sense to discuss feelings. As the saying goes, sometimes you should let sleeping dogs lie. Unfortunately, a lack of skill in discussing feelings may cause you to avoid not only sleeping dogs, but all dogs — even those that won't let you sleep.
The Identity Conversation: What Does This Say About Me?
Of the Three Conversations, the Identity Conversation may be the most subtle and the most challenging. But it offers us significant leverage in managing our anxiety and improving our skills in the other two conversations.
The Identity Conversation looks inward: it's all about who we are and how we see ourselves. How does what happened affect my self-esteem, my self-image, my sense of who I am in the world? What impact will it have on my future? What self-doubts do I harbor? In short: before, during, and after the difficult conversation, the Identity Conversation is about what I am saying to myself about me.
You might think, "I'm just trying to ask my boss for a raise. Why does my sense of who I am in the world matter here?" Or Jack might be thinking, "This is about the brochure, not about me." In fact, anytime a conversation feels difficult, it is in part precisely because it is about You, with a capital Y. Something beyond the apparent substance of the conversation is at stake for you.
It may be something simple. What does it say about you when you talk to your neighbors about their dog? It may be that growing up in a small town gave you a strong self-image as a friendly person and good neighbor, so you are uncomfortable with the possibility that your neighbors might see you as aggressive or as a troublemaker.
Asking for a raise? What if you get turned down? In fact, what if your boss gives you good reasons for turning you down? What will that do to your self-image as a competent and respected employee? Ostensibly the subject is money, but what's really making you sweat is that your self-image is on the line.
Even when you are the one delivering bad news, the Identity Conversation is in play. Imagine, for example, that you have to turn down an attractive new project proposal from Creative. The prospect of telling the people involved makes you anxious, even if you aren't responsible for the decision. In part, it's because you fear how the conversation will make you feel about yourself: "I'm not the kind of person who lets people down and crushes enthusiasm. I'm the person people respect for finding a way to do it, not for shutting the door." Your self-image as a person who helps others get things done butts up against the reality that you are going to be saying no. If you're no longer the hero, will people see you as the villain?
Keeping Your Balance
As you begin to sense the implications of the conversation for your self-image, you may begin to lose your balance. The eager young head of Creative, who reminds you so much of yourself at that age, looks disbelieving and betrayed. You suddenly feel confused; your anxiety skyrockets. You wonder whether it really makes sense to drop the idea so early in the process. Before you know it, you stammer out something about the possibility that the rejection will be reconsidered, even though you have absolutely no reason to believe that's likely.
In its mildest form, losing our balance may cause us to lose confidence in ourselves, to lose concentration, or to forget what we were going to say. In more extreme cases, it can feel earth-shattering. We may feel paralyzed, overcome by panic, stricken with an urge to flee, or even have trouble breathing.
Just knowing that the Identity Conversation is a component of difficult conversations can help. And, as in the other two conversations, you can do much better than mere awareness. While losing your balance sometimes is inevitable, the Identity Conversation need not cause as much anxiety as it does. Like dealing with feelings, grappling with the Identity Conversation gets easier with the development of certain skills. Indeed, once you find your footing in the Identity Conversation, you can turn what is often a source of anxiety into a source of strength.
Moving Toward a Learning Conversation
Despite what we sometimes pretend, our initial purpose for having a difficult conversation is often to prove a point, to give them a piece of our mind, or to get them to do or be what we want. In other words, to deliver a message.
Once you understand the challenges inherent in the Three Conversations and the mistakes we make in each, you are likely to find that your purpose for having a particular conversation begins to shift. You come to appreciate the complexity of the perceptions and intentions involved, the reality of joint contribution to the problem, the central role feelings have to play, and what the issues mean to each person's self-esteem and identity. And you find that a message delivery stance no longer makes sense. In fact, you may find that you no longer have a message to deliver, but rather some information to share and some questions to ask.
Instead of wanting to persuade and get your way, you want to understand what has happened from the other person's point of view, explain your point of view, share and understand feelings, and work together to figure out a way to manage the problem going forward. In so doing, you make it more likely that the other person will be open to being persuaded, and that you will learn something that significantly changes the way you understand the problem.
Changing our stance means inviting the other person into the conversation with us, to help us figure things out. If we're going to achieve our purposes, we have lots we need to learn from them and lots they need to learn from us. We need to have a learning conversation.
The differences between a typical battle of messages and a learning conversation are summarized in the chart on the following pages.
(Continues...)
Table of Contents
| Foreword | vii | |
| Acknowledgments | ix | |
| Introduction | xv | |
| The Problem | 1 | |
| 1 | Sort Out the Three Conversations | 3 |
| Shift to a Learning Stance | 21 | |
| The "What Happened?" Conversation | 23 | |
| 2 | Stop Arguing About Who's Right: Explore Each Other's Stories | 25 |
| 3 | Don't Assume They Meant It: Disentangle Intent from Impact | 44 |
| 4 | Abandon Blame: Map the Contribution System | 58 |
| The Feelings Conversation | 83 | |
| 5 | Have Your Feelings (Or They Will Have You) | 85 |
| The Identity Conversation | 109 | |
| 6 | Ground Your Identity: Ask Yourself What's at Stake | 111 |
| Create a Learning Conversation | 129 | |
| 7 | What's Your Purpose? When to Raise It and When to Let Go | 131 |
| 8 | Getting Started: Begin from the Third Story | 147 |
| 9 | Learning: Listen from the Inside Out | 163 |
| 10 | Expression: Speak for Yourself with Clarity and Power | 185 |
| 11 | Problem-Solving: Take the Lead | 201 |
| 12 | Putting It All Together | 217 |
| A Road Map to Difficult Conversations | 235 | |
| A Note on Some Relevant Organizations | 249 |
What People are Saying About This
My skepticism towards books like this runs wide and deep. But this is the brilliant exception. I've already re-read most of it. I'm using it. What more could a reader ask?
— (Tom Peters, bestselling author of In Search of Excellence and The Pursuit of Wow!)
Emotional intelligence applied to life's tough moments.
— (Daniel Goleman, bestselling author of Working with Emotional Intelligence)
The only people who shouldn't read Difficult Conversations are those who never work with people, anywhere.
— (Peter M. Senge, bestselling author of The Fifth Discipline)
Interviews
An Interview with Douglas Stone and Sheila Heen
Doug Stone and Sheila Heen, two-thirds of the Harvard Negotiation Project writing team behind Difficult Conversations, recently took some time to talk to Business Editor Amy Lambo about why talking can be so tough and what to do about it.
barnesandnoble.com: Getting to Yes, which your coauthor, Bruce Patton, wrote with Roger Fisher, was and still is such a huge success -- arguably the most successful negotiation book ever. Why did the Harvard Negotiation Project decide to write another negotiation book?
Sheila Heen: Getting to Yes was and is an extremely helpful book...but when we were teaching it, there seemed to be a class of conversations and negotiations that it didn't address. [People were telling us] "There are still these conversations that I'm having on my management team or at home, and it's not getting me anywhere." We wanted to learn more about what was going on in that gap. Getting to Yes goes a little into the role of emotions but not in much depth. It's more problem-solving. We found out there was a whole other realm of tools and skills that were needed. So we teach these two realms. We teach both books to students and professionals.
Barnes & Noble.com: I was recently telling a friend about Difficult Conversations, and she said that her only difficult conversations are in her personal life, claiming that because workplace interactions involved no emotion for her, she had no problem with them. But in your consulting work with businesses, you've found this not to be the case. Why is a book like yours so needed in the work world?
SH: In business today, there are so many matrix structures where everybody is working on various teams, so relationships are much more complex than they used to be when the rules of the game were more hierarchical. Commenting on your friend's hypothesis: I think she's right -- the [conversations] that are hard are the ones with the people we care about. These days, many of us have people we care about at work. They're important to us. Part of what makes a conversation difficult is that it indicates something about your own identity. Like asking for a raise. You're afraid of what you'll learn, that your boss will say, "You don't deserve a raise." And they may have good reasons why. We vest so much identity in our careers; your identity is on the line at work much more than you think it is.
Doug Stone: We've done a fair amount of consulting in a business setting. Some business people say "This is the most important stuff we have to learn because this is the real world." Other people say, "Look, we check our feelings at the door." Well, that's just wrong. You can't check feelings at the door. We find that we go to business meetings and people are feeling frustrated or angry or hurt or jealous. Gaining dexterity in learning what you're feeling and expressing what you're feeling in a constructive way is so important at work.
SH: That's true. And it's not so much whether or not you're going to express your feelings, because they're going to leak out anyway in a terse email or whatever. It's in terms of how to do that constructively. And I think there are important decisions to be made about when to share those feelings. The time to sit down and discuss them may not be before the big company deadline comes.
bn.com: In the book, you say that each conversation is really three conversations: the "What Happened" Conversation, the Feelings Conversation, and the Identity Conversation. Explain what those are.
SH: One is trying to decide what happened: Who's right? What's true? Who's to blame? The second piece is how we each manage the strong feelings involved. The third conversation is the conversation you have with yourself about yourself: "What does this say about me?" [That third conversation] is what really throws us off balance and makes us panicky or paralyzed or want to leave the room immediately. All these difficult contacts that people make -- with their families, in ethnic conflict, at work -- each conversation has this structure. Just having that awareness [of these three components] is really helpful.
DS: Having worked with college freshmen and townspeople in South Africa and so forth, at first you think each new situation is this person and that person not getting along. When you think about it long enough, you start to see that there are incredible commonalities among situations that seem completely distinct -- powerful images of identity and powerful emotions. In the arc of our careers, the business world was the last domain that we had gotten into, and we didn't know if it was going to be applicable because we were coming from a different realm of dealing with ethnic, racial, and gender issues. And we were really surprised to find that it's exactly the same. Businesspeople are just regular people. They have all this stuff going on with each other that everyone else in the world has going on.
bn.com: The skeptical side of me has to ask: How can reading this book with all of its insights prepare you for those highly charged conversations when emotion and tempers just take over, especially those conversations that take us by surprise?
SH: You're absolutely dead-on to say, "This sounds good but it also sounds really hard, especially when emotions are involved." I get frustrated with people who are Pollyanna-ish about how hard this is, especially using this stuff in an emotional crisis. These skills entail a lifetime of learning. What is rich about starting to use them and experiment with them is how much you can learn from your mistakes along the way. I can be in the middle of a conversation, I do an okay job expressing my feelings, but I end up blaming the other person. Or, I often look back on a conversation and think, "I could have handled it better." Difficult conversations are rarely one-shot deals, and you're not going to do it perfectly every time. Each little thing you pick up and implement is going to help.
DS: I can offer a detailed example of that from real life. I had a huge issue with my sister and the way her kids were acting towards me and my parents. I thought they were being rude and spoiled. Ten years ago, I would have said nothing. I would have thought, "It's going to start a fight, whatever happens will happen." But my feelings would have leaked into the relationship. Having thought about [the material in this book], I decided to have this conversation with her. It didn't go well. I thought I had conducted the conversation as well as I could on my end, and she left the room crying. My first thought was, "Okay, either I suck at this or this stuff doesn't work." But I went back and thought about it more and what I was saying was, "What are the real feelings? I'm sharing this little corner of a thought about her kids, but have I ever told her what a great job she does with her kids? I'm feeling all those things too, and I've never said them." It helps to say what's at the heart of what you're really thinking. I've been sharing that with her more often and she's unbelievably appreciative of that, and it makes it much easier to talk about all the other stuff. There are so many issues that can tear families and relationships apart. It's not as if you can read this book and it'll all be perfect, but there are some things in there that can be helpful in being open and honest and clear about who you are.
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